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Job Corps: An Unfailing Record of Failure

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From the 2008 Outcome Study of Job Corps, David Mulhausen, Ph.D says:

“For a federal taxpayer investment of $25,000 per Job Corps participant, the 2008 outcome study found:

  • Compared to non-participants, Job Corp participants were less likely to earn a high school diploma (7.5 percent versus 5.3 percent);

  • Compared to non-participants, Job Corp participants were no more likely to attend or complete college;

  • Four years after participating in the evaluation, the average weekly earnings of Job Corps participants was $22 more than the average weekly earnings of the control group; and

  • Employed Job Corps participants earned $0.22 more in hourly wages compared to employed control group members. “Job Corps does not provide the skills and training necessary to substantially raise the wages of participants. Costing $25,000 per participant over an average participation period of eight months, the program is a waste of taxpayers’ dollars.

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  1. watergate says:

    Kyle have you thought of checking out community college or vocational school? There are federal grants that you can apply for to pay for your school and you don’t have to pay them back. You can get work study jobs to pay your way through college. Also check the local unions to see if they are looking for apprentices. You’d get paid more and receive better training plus the union would pay for your schooling. This are better alternatives than Job Corps without the restrictive rules and b.s. at Job Corps. Job Corps is still in the 1960’s and it hasn’t adapted to your generation. The program is set up so the students fail with all the restrictive policies and the negative labeling of students. There is kind of a soap opera attmosphere at Job Corps and lots of drama with the students over relationships. It was like working in a strange movie and I’m glad that I quit. I quit after a I got a huge 25 cent per hour merit raise, and they raised our health care so we couldn’t afford it. I filed complaints with the feds about the place. I’m happy to say that the DOL is cracking down on my former work place due to my whistle blowing. I did it for the students because they deserve more.

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    • kyle B says:

      watergate) yeah I have but i can keep checking just in case. but the reason i’m trying for job corps is cause I’m on the brink of being homless again.

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  2. Nancy Entrup says:

    Thats what I refered to on the last blog. UNLESS , the FEDERAL GOV makes it mandatory for full disclosure of all Job Corps data, enrollment, howmany students graduated, how long it took, the total amount each student is funded. $25000 was more than I paid for GSL to go to a two years technical school in New York State. I wasnt the sharpest knife in the drawer, I had to work for the grades. But I got through, paid my student loans back, and got the diploma. WHAT IS THE JOB CORPS ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHING. When you have to BEG young people to want an education, BEG them to work at it, use military tactics to try and keep them there to save your own job. The program is nothing but waste top to bottom. All purchased items should also be public record, it is the public paying for this TOO COSTLY expense.

    At the Oneonta Job Corps , they give them ENDLESS pizza parties, ENDLESS new wardrobes, shopping trips, swimming at a local facility, free bowling, free rides here there and everywhere, NOW with tax payer dollars, they are going to outfit every dorm room, or thats what they want to do. With ALL NEW FURNITURE.

    Lets see, in the economic downturn, how many TAX PAYING American’s had to go without new furniture, give up excessive take out orders, stop swimming lessions, give up some liesure activities like bowling. And there were people who were contributing to the coffers, NOT just taking from it. And the Management encourages these students to stay on the gravy train, if they get through job corps, then FREE college, then on and on. What exactly are they teaching ???Are they teaching how to be on assistance programs ???????????????????

    And at the same time protecting their jobs. There are so many over paid breaucrats at the job corps site I was at. In fact I was hired in by one who WAS on ADMINISTRATORS SALARY EXEMPT. And wanted me to do his whole job for him.

    Now you have to realize this milking and bilking of the American Tax Payer is pretty VAST when it comes to Job Corps, if you look at the total number of job corps there are.

    When are Americans going to say enough.

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    • Victor says:

      The students at Iroquois are also spoiled by all of the parties. They get to have parties for doing things which they are supposed to do. I can understand rewarding them for going above and beyond, but not for returning to center on time from break. They have a huge party following every break to encourage the students to come back. They also give out prizes to students who dont go AWOL. In addition, students are bribed by parties prior to completing surveys which involve giving their opinion on conditions at the center. Unfortunately, many of these students will have a rude awakening once they get out in the real world.

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    • Harold says:

      The students know exactly what is going on. They are very street wise and play the system for their own benefit too – even the ones who are serious about getting an education. Many are much more sophisticated than the staff who are “running the show” – especially students who come from metropolitan areas like New York City. They run circles around the hicks who work at the remote centers.

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    • Harold says:

      Nancy,

      Most Job Corps kids can’t make it in the military. They don’t have the discipline and can’t pass the ASVAB test and don’t even ask about the GED – they’ve been given the option of the on-line high school diploma because they can’t pass the GED.

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      • Nancy Entrup says:

        Yes I saw that too. But what is the benefit to the American Taxpayer for Job Corps like Oneonta does to falsify student records to make it look like the kids are doing better, and learning more than they actually are. They do this because they want to keep their enrollment numbers where they can stay open, they [the administrators] want to keep their high paying jobs for doing little to nothing in reality. The purchasing agent that I worked with there in Oneonta refered to the procurement job there as ” HIS DEAL”. HE was secretive about all of his purchase orders, and DEALS as he called them. The girl in the job before me to help him found $2000 in missing dollars on one line on a spread sheet from the past of his, and then he no long let her look at those spreadsheets. Heres the thing, he controlled everything that was PAID at this site, because the accounting lady WAS HIS FRIEND she paid what ever he wanted paid, he also would adjust purchase orders with change orders to make them look like the CENTER had actually recieved ALL that was on the order, by just manipulating the numbers, quantities, $ or what ever on the purchase order with a change order. Nothing ever really came out the way it was suppose to. THERE WERE NO CHECKS AND BALANCES ON WHAT HE WAS ACTUALLY DOING. HE HAS THE SYSTEM WORKING SO HE IS HIS ONLY CHECK AND BALANCE. WHEN THEY HAVE AN INSPECTION FROM THE DOL/OR BOSTON REGION OF DOL, THEY ARE LOOKING AT FILES AND RECORDS THAT HAVE BEEN SO MASSAGED THEY WOULD HAVE TO LOOK CORRECT. SOME PEOPLE CALL THIS CREATIVE ACCOUNTING.

        My argument is for the American Taxpayer being cheated by Job Corps Centers and purchasing people like this one during a time when we are close to the original great depression. The Federal Government is not able to manage centers like this, and actually catch the FRAUD , because the centers cover it up.

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      • Harold says:

        Nancy, have you contacted the OIG about all this?

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    • kyle B says:

      I should be getting a call soon from my admission counselor soon to tell me if I am accepted. Its been 3 weeks since my interview and was wondering how all this all works from the begining mostly so I can get an idea of how long this is going to take me ??? I turned 24 in the begining of April, have a high school diploma already today’s date 05-30-2010 and the addmissions counselor said he would put a rush on things… so how long you all think ? OH I almost forgot how can you take the money from the bad one’s or the bad companies that run the show cause if you can get the money you make the rules!!! What i mean is if you can gain control over the bad one’s by knowing the right people and covence them put some foot to butt well then you got it made!!! I see stuff like this before and all need to know that there is weak-points in people and/or companies and hit it with every thing you got but make sure you have a clear shot before you hit cause when the fight starts some one is going to loose… start talking to lawers and industry leaders or any one who can give info that will help you stand and fight for your RIGHTS and OTHERS RIGHTS go and spread the word, find the tools you need to fight with. I know there is truth to these statments, a blind man could see that. You know I have been trying to get into the army since I was 19 and have failed completely but cause I’m not in yet does not mean I’m done, I’ll be waiting for world war 3 to pop off!!!!!!

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  3. Eric says:

    Just this afternoon, not even one hour ago, a friend of mine told me that he tested two students on a college qualifying exam. Both students had recently graduated from Job Corps with an “Occupational Diploma” from the great state of Mississippi.

    Both students scored at one third the qualifying levels in Math and Language Arts – in the 20 percentages. They were surprised that they had done so poorly. I’m not. This is the quality of educational results produced by Job Corps centers using on-line diploma-mill programs to grant diplomas.

    I feel sorry for these kids who have been sold a bill of goods and don’t know any better. The Job Corps system and the contractors should be held accountable for contributing to the dumbing down of our educational system and creating cognitively handicapped students who can’t pass a college entrance exam.

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    • Victor says:

      ETR started using New Summit School, the Mississippi high school diploma program about three or four years ago. It was part of their number fudging scheme which helped them skyrocket in the national rankings. The amount of students receiving diplomas naturally increased dramatically. Unfortunately, ETR cares more about making themselves look good and lining their pockets than the students welfare. Many of these kids leave center with a false sense of accomplishment when in reality the bogus Mississippi diplomas are of no use to them.

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      • Nancy Entrup says:

        So true, ETR was the group I worked for. They are SEEING how the $$$$$ can make the administrators RICH. While the young people are just pawns in their little game. They build up a false sense of accomplishment, THAT IS SO TRUE. These kids will go out into life, BE HIT EVEN HARDER IN THE FACE BY REALITY AND COMPETITION. IT WILL ONLY MAKE THEM ANGRIER, MAKE THEM GO BACK TO THE STREETS, MAKE THEM WORSE THAN WHEN THEY STARTED. WHATS WRONG WITH THE LARGEST % OF THEM GOING TO THE MILITARY. They GET MONEY THERE TOO, but they are made to work for it. And believe me they get an education. My daughters 1st job after high school made $135 per week total in an insurance office. She went in the AF for 10 years, got her education, came out w/o student loans, and now makes a 6 figure salary. All military education, and SHE WORKED ALL THE TIME SHE WAS THERE.

        Doesn’t that sound like where we should be putting tax dollars for young peoples educations.

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  4. Anthony says:

    Here are three reasons why Job Corps enjoys continued funding:

    1- Job Corps provides jobs and economic stimulus dollars to economically deprived areas.

    2- Job Corps takes at-risk students off the street for awhile, thus hopefully reducing crime and unemployment in their home areas and perhaps providing some time to mature and get some academic and vocational training.

    3- Private contractors who are awarded contracts will be able to continue to provide contributions to political candidates and parties, and patronage jobs to supporters. They also provide economic support for their friends in terms of purchasing materials and services for the Job Corps centers they run. As many of their friends as possible are able to pig out at the trough.

    You don’t hear much about reasons #1 and #2 and certainly nothing about reason #3, but it is a reality.

    Our Congressional representatives don’t want to upset the political apple cart by defunding this so-called vocational training program for the economically disadvantaged. For poor people, Job Corps is the equivalent of a prep school that helps them get the kids out of the house at tax payers’ expense.

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